The Stirrer

2010-05-10T01:13:52+01:00

Dominic B Fisher wrote:
The underlying trends suggest that we will continue to win 15+ seats in a normal year.

and lose how many?

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2010-05-10T00:25:23+01:00

docdave wrote:
There is a government buy back scheme as of 1st April where if you make enough electric, you can sell it to the National Grid....

Not quite. You are paid for every unit (kWh) of power generated, whether used by you or sold back to the grid. Anything sold to the power company then brings in an additional 3p per unit.

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2010-05-10T00:07:05+01:00

Dominic B Fisher wrote:
Mike Whitby was quite right that we only lost four councillors (all by a tiny margin) because voters who never normally bother turning out for local elections were at the polling station because a GE was on. The underlying trends suggest that we will continue to win 15+ seats in a normal year. Any Tories seeking to use this set of results as a stick to beat Whitby with would look stupid.

The other underlying trend to consider is that the voters will start punishing councillors at the polls for the wrongs of their national leaders. It happened to Labour and it will happen to you.

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2010-05-10T00:02:57+01:00

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2010-05-10T00:00:52+01:00

Mike Whitby was quite right that we only lost four councillors (all by a tiny margin) because voters who never normally bother turning out for local elections were at the polling station because a GE was on.

And absolutely nothing to do with the Council being in massive deficit with redundancies all over the place even before the budget is cut largely due to poor management.

It will be interesting to see voters reaction when the hard times actually start.

Statistics: Posted by Ghost_Daz — Mon May 10, 2010 0:00

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2010-05-09T23:52:35+01:00

ianrobo wrote:
Crudas to appeal to the core with the same policy but wrapped up differently

I think the word for that is 'Spin'.

I see where you are going. Kind of like banging Prescott with Blair? But with someone more cerebral in the Prescott?

Statistics: Posted by Guy The Mac — Sun May 09, 2010 23:52

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2010-05-09T23:51:20+01:00

Statistics: Posted by Guy The Mac — Sun May 09, 2010 23:51

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2010-05-09T23:40:40+01:00

if not more

the election is fought over around 100-150 seats and within each usually 5000-10000 voters per seat and usually the middle class

that is what decides elections the core support on both parties have no real say

so back to the thread I think a partnership works if one person appeals to the narrow band, say Milliband but you also need in our ase someone like Crudas to appeal to the core with the same policy but wrapped up differently

Statistics: Posted by ianrobo — Sun May 09, 2010 23:40

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2010-05-09T23:36:46+01:00

TheStirrer wrote:
Didn't their Lib Dem colleague Ayoub Khan support this? Should he resign too?

Stirrer, you're showing your pro-Salma Yaqoob bias here, AGAIN!

Cllr Ayoub Khan only supported this scheme IF the relevant Ward Councillors supported it.

The Sparkbrook Ward Councillors were consulted and raised no objections to it. In the case of Cllr Ishtiaq he supported it.

Ask the police if you don't believe me.

Statistics: Posted by martin_mullaney — Sun May 09, 2010 23:36

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2010-05-09T23:34:14+01:00

ianrobo wrote:
for England as we discussed today pre match in the pub everything rests on Rooney and he was injured today I heard, groin again I believe

major blow

The lad seems to have been rushed back into action quite a lot lately. If we can get past the first two group games, rest him for the third and get him back into action.

He is MASSIVE for England.

Statistics: Posted by The Nation of Ulysses — Sun May 09, 2010 23:34

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2010-05-09T23:32:12+01:00

Nasim wrote:

ianrobo wrote:Well you are finally the kingmakers

So what do YOU actually want then ?

Can you work with Tories over Europe, PR and the economy ?

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But the LibDems came a poor third, so why should they be the kingmakers???

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/electio ... -lost.html

because that is our system

what else do you think should happen for a party to get a majority

Statistics: Posted by ianrobo — Sun May 09, 2010 23:32

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2010-05-09T23:28:37+01:00

ianrobo wrote:
you miss the point guy, by targeting one group of people you disenfranchise a much larger group
try not to bang on about FPTP but it forces all the parties to very small narrow % of the population that is not good for any of us
the new leader has to pull the trick of attracting the core support and those on the edge, Blair did it but in many ways too successful, Camero trying it but failed.

Now I am lost. At the risk of jumping off thread I don't get "FPTP forces all the parties to narrow % of the population?" By it's nature you have to get over 35% of the vote to get real power... under PR people who attract a REALLY narrow % of the population (e.g. the BNP who could poll realistically between 5-15% depending on how crappy the economy is at the time) would ALWAYS get a seat at the table for negotiating.

Under PR after every election Griffen would be in the "smoke-filled-room" that Clegg is currently in making the deals in his interest that allow the government to form.

Statistics: Posted by Guy The Mac — Sun May 09, 2010 23:28

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2010-05-09T23:26:44+01:00

ianrobo wrote:
Well you are finally the kingmakers

So what do YOU actually want then ?

Can you work with Tories over Europe, PR and the economy ?

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But the LibDems came a poor third, so why should they be the kingmakers???

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/electio ... -lost.html

Statistics: Posted by Nasim — Sun May 09, 2010 23:26

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2010-05-09T22:54:16+01:00

barnardhobbit wrote:
Liberal Democrats candidates Jerry Evens and Ernie Hendricks in Hall Green
Consistency and Moseley & Kings Heath Ward call for the the Chief Constable
of the West Midlands Police to Resign.

It what is described as a "LIB DEM EXCLUSIVE" their latest leaflet deliver to
homes in Hall Green consistency call for Chief Constable Chris Sims to resign
and the Big Brother ANPR scheme to be abandoned

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There's two in Springfield - one on Wake Green Road and another one sprouting up on Springfield Road.

Where's Jerry when you need him?

Or should I call on the local biraderi leaders? I need an interpreter.

I would have complained to Cllr. Zaker Choudhry as he sits on the West Midlands Police Authority (Lead Member would you believe) but I hear he lost his seat last week and no speaking the English good anyways.

http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/cs/Satelli ... %2FWrapper

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